Understeer.

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo) 05/13/2014 at 01:43 • Filed to: None

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I don't think I've ever really experienced understeer in good road conditions. ON snow, ice, wet pavement, or on dirty, or dirty pavement yes. But on dry pavement no.

Part of me wants to believe that's because I drive Hondas and they are superior machines that have no flaws. BUT i know that's not the case. Maybe I'm just a very controlled driver. I seem to think I know my limits, and my car's limits and not push them. Here's the thing tho I've actually gotten kinda of good at getting my 2001 Civic to oversteer. It's much easier than any Honda I've had before it. Possibly because I still have my winter tires on lol. I'm not saying my Civic does "mad skids, mate" but slight oversteer can be achieved. it's fun.

Maybe I'm just too used to the feeling of understeer . I've only had FWD cars aside from one truck. The only hard driving on dry pavement I've ever done has been in small FWD cars so maybe I'm just to used to the way they handle to notice the flaws. Maybe I'm just "good" at driving FWD cars. hmmmm

Here's a cool pic for your time

Leadbull > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 01:46

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You lift, don't you.

GhostZ > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 01:50

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I mostly drove on car with a Live Rear Axle.

LIVE REAR AXLE.

THE UNDERSTEER HAUNTED ME. We became intimate friends. Understeer isn't just "Oh, I turned too late" or "Oh, I'm going to fast". It's when you're turning the wheel further, and nothing is happening. And you're like "why isn't it turning sharper!?" It's when you can feel the rear tires refusing to yield to the decisions of the front end, like a relative who remembers "the war" and would rather run the car into the hedge than concede to European notions of handling .

When I got behind the wheel of a 280ZX (and later a '77 Corvette) it changed everything for me. Independent rear suspension is the way to go. (even if the Corvette is a "semi independent" setup.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Leadbull 05/13/2014 at 01:51

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well yeah if I feel understeer that's driving 101. Maybe it really just comes down to not entering corners at ludicous speeds. And knowing when to hit the gas when exiting the corner.

Leadbull > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 01:55

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Screw that, and devote yourself to the age-old proverb which resounds throughout the known universe:

Never lift.

CRider > GhostZ 05/13/2014 at 01:56

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Stick axles can handle anything as good as an IRS except uneven pavement. If your car understeers, it's a setup problem or a driver problem.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Leadbull 05/13/2014 at 01:57

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I prefer the age old technique of staying on the road.

GhostZ > CRider 05/13/2014 at 01:59

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It was a setup problem, namely, the factory setup on a 1998 Mustang V6 that had been beaten up over many years before I owned it. If you so much looked at the brakes or throttle, your steering suddenly meant nothing, and it never had enough power to really break rear traction.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > GhostZ 05/13/2014 at 02:01

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Are you Mr. regular. cuz I feel like he would have said what you just said.

GhostZ > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:03

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I was writing funny metaphors related to cars before it was cool. But I think it's a symptom of witty people who have spent a lot of time writing and have extreme passions for cars, in which case, we are definitely similar.

CRider > GhostZ 05/13/2014 at 02:03

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1998 Mustang V6

I think I found your problem. Judging solid axles based on a 1998 Mustang v6 is be like judging Mexican food after eating at Taco Bell.

GhostZ > CRider 05/13/2014 at 02:05

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I agree, to some extent. But yeah, solid axles get a lot of shit. If a solid axle system is designed properly with less unsprung weight and a lower center of gravity, it can be a serious suspension setup in my opinion. But since most cars use it for cost-cutting, they usually end up as big, heavy, dinosaur bones attached directly to the wheels.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CRider 05/13/2014 at 02:08

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I love Taco Bell.

Singhjr96 > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:08

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Oh, I've pushed the limits quite a few times, and I love wresting with the car and showing it that it is my bitch. But of course, wrestling with the car, and having a death wish is a different thing. I don't have a death wish(just maybe a little) so i've never gone beyond the point where I know that there is no way to push my car that high and not die. I've understeered in my accord coupe. It's pretty damn hard if not impossible to correct even with the macpherson struts when you get up to high speeds say like, 60 pretty damn hard to correct, 75 you're fucked if you don't have enough space. But like 55 and under in a corner you can just basically let off the throttle and brake a little. I've only gone upto 75 once, but that was when I knew for sure I could cut across into the other lane, and that there was like 100 feet of space on the other side of the apex. But if I want to wrestle with my car, I only go a max of 55 entry speed into a corner. But just having a bit of fun, I only go upto 45.

CRider > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:12

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Where do you live? I understand real Mexican food is hard to come by out of the border states. I can hardly eat Taco Bell.

KirkyV > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:21

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I've generally found my car more willing to let the back go than understeer. An inclination toward FWD oversteer is something of an old Peugeot trademark.

Squid > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:23

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When you lift you are turning your understeer into lift off oversteer. That is what happens in FWD cars. I garunteeeeeeeeee you've felt understeer if you've done any spirited driving. With FWD you just lift really quick and then stab the throttle and the front pulls you back on line. You are basically transferring weight back to the front when you lift giving your front tires the grip they need.

You've honestly never felt the little push making you go wide in your cars? I find that hard to believe, it is either you are driving like a wet noodle that doesn't care about fun or you just don't understand the feedback the car is giving you. next time you are on an onramp that is wide open don't get out of the throttle unless you start going really wide and you'll feel some understeer. If you haven't felt it that basically means you are not trying hard enough.

Singhjr96 > Singhjr96 05/13/2014 at 02:32

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(staying in my lane the whole time of course) There are a lot of blind corners in washington.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CRider 05/13/2014 at 02:37

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I have had great Mexican here in Wisconsin, and I've had shitty Mexican food in Texas. I'm not saying T Bell is good Mexican food. I'm just saying I freaking like Taco Bell.

CRider > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:42

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I agree it tastes good; what puts me off about it is the ingredients in the beef.

cluelessk > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 02:58

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I love it too. One day me and my friends decided we'd all order 5 taco's each. That evening we all regretted it.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > cluelessk 05/13/2014 at 03:07

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i eat each bit with one packet of hot sauce. yum

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CRider 05/13/2014 at 03:08

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I try not to think about what is in anything I get at T Bell

CRider > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 03:17

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That's probably for the best. In case you're curious, however

http://jezebel.com/5742413/this-i…

CPT Speedbump > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 05:17

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I've only experienced it once, and that was in a Chevy Cruze..and Cruze's arent in anyway sporty, lol.

Justin is driven > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 05/13/2014 at 06:50

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That picture is boss.

You're not pushing hard enough. Almost any road car will understeer when pushed, but they can also be provoked into oversteer. You may have just intuited how to avoid understeer and make the car slide.

Fast forward to 12:39 if it doesn't automatically do so.